SeedVillage: Power, Decision-making, and Governance ... Basement Contractors Goals: SolSeed Goals
Agenda
- Check In
- Review WWWs
- Weekly Events Logistics
- Review Agenda
- Equinox
- What with funds? Upcoming exercise
- Issues with WeBelieve
- Evaluation
Check In
- Eric ... exhausted, friend's mother died Monday and we had pipe burst on Friday (still cleaning) ... not a good week
- Ben ... I am feeling like we have been on summer vacation and I am wondering when summer vacation will end and distractions will stop preventing us from meeting.
- Brandon ... has to duck out pretty soon due to father-in-law's retirement party
WWWs from last time
- <s>Brandon ... follow your topical community protocol for this week ... ongoing
- Brandon ... meditate and keep track of which days ... ongoing
- Brandon ... discuss Equinox ideas with Shelley</s> and report back to crew ... by tonight
- Brandon ... finish the visitor cookies and logging including google analytics ... by week after next
- Brandon ... send the image of the SolSeed emblem to Eric ... by week after next
- Brandon ... react to the transcendent experiences table ... by week after next (did read it)
- Brandon ... work on the issues with WeBelieve ... by next week
- <s>Ben ... follow your topical community protocol for this week ... ongoing
- Ben ... meditate and keep track of which days ... ongoing
- Ben ... How long to get to Rooster rock? ... by next call</s>
- Eric ... follow your topical community protocol for this week ... ongoing
- Eric ... meditate and keep track of which days ... ongoing
- Eric ... Extract issues from Commentary on commentary and add to Git ... by next call
WWWs
- Brandon ... follow your topical community protocol for this week ... ongoing
- Brandon ... meditate and keep track of which days ... ongoing
- Brandon ... finish the visitor cookies and logging including google analytics ... by week after next
- Brandon ... send the image of the SolSeed emblem to Eric ... by week after next
- Brandon ... react to the transcendent experiences table ... by week after next
- Ben ... follow your topical community protocol for this week ... ongoing
- Ben ... meditate and keep track of which days ... ongoing
- Eric ... follow your topical community protocol for this week ... ongoing
- Eric ... meditate and keep track of which days ... ongoing
- Eric ... Extract issues from Comentary on comentary and add to Git ... by next call
- Eric ... mail thing to Sequoia ... by next call
Weekly Events Logistics
Service rotation: Eric, Shelley, Brandon, Ben
- September 14 Service: 9:00 am PDT (12:00 EDT) (Eric) ... Sanders out
- September 15 Work-Bee: 3:00 pm PDT (18:00 EDT) ... Sanders out
- September 21 Service: 9:00 am PDT (12:00 EDT) (Brandon) ... but it's the Equinox
- September 22 Work-Bee: 10:00 am PDT 13:00 EDT
- September 28 Service: 9:00 am PDT (12:00 EDT) (Ben)
- September 29 Work-Bee: 1:30 pm PDT 16:30 EDT
- October 20 Seeing Nature Readings and Practices (Ottawa): 13:00 EST
Equinox
Sunday September 22nd, 20:44 GMT (1:44 PM PDT, 16:44 EDT) Portland Schedule for the 21st:
- 14:00 350.org Draw the Line event starts (http://act.350.org/event/draw_the_line/6196)
- 16:30 depart Portland (skipping the rally that starts at that time)
- 17:00 picnic and Bridal Veil Falls hike (not necessarily in that order)
- 19:30 start party at Rooster Rock (https://www.omsi.edu/starparties/autumnal-equinox/092113)
- 20:30 head home (sleepy kids)
- Work bee call / planning retreat: 10am-noon PDT, 13:00-15:00 EDT
- Includes Carol's timed writing exercise about what to do with our $14160 yearly budget
- Portland: Equinox in Space lunch ... noon ... Sanders have to leave at 1pm for birthday party
- Ottawa: Equinox in Space dinner on the 22nd 15:00 to evening
Schedule for the 22nd:
Issues with WeBelieve
- https://github.com/SolSeed/SolSeedCreed/issues
- Eric: Without death, evolution doesn't work
- Eric: Wanting to make our minds more permanent and continue to use resources is greedy and sinful
- Ben: We come from different emotional starting points and degrees of attachment to different things: I value consciousness more, while you value diversity of forms in the physical world
- Eric: I understand the point of view that consciousnesses are infinitetly valuable. Mine is infinitely valuable to me, but Gaia's viewpoint is that consciousnesses should be sacrificed in the name of diversity, evolution, Life and I think her point of view is the more important one; one which I am willing to sacrifice myself to serve.
- In high school I was willing to give up reproduction in favor of immortality, but my viewpoint has shifted
- Ben: I don't want to take the libertarian singularitarian line that "there's plenty of space so let's just expand into it indefinitely"
- Eric: That viewpoint has some merit as one of several "gears" to switch one's mind between.
- Eric: But the problem with the idea that there is plenty of space comes from the difference between exponential curves and geometric curves. Assuming you can't exceed lightspeed, the volume of space available to you at a given time is limited to a sphere with radius c the time you've spent expanding. But that sphere, as well as the quantities of mass and energy inside it, grows at a linear rate, while biological growth is exponential; exponential curves always outstrip linear curves. So until we get an FTL drive, we only have an illusion* that there's plenty of space.
- Natural selection vs. personal growth vs. simulated evolution
- Eric: Natural selection provides more unexpected explorations of possibility leading to greater diversity than the "evolution" of individual minds
- Ben: Middle ground: simulated evolution can go much faster than natural selection
- Eric: If you don't create a physical version of the thing you're evolving in your simulation, you won't get a result with interesting properties in the physical world
Arguments about the value of death
Evaluation
- Ben ... Ideological arguments make me nervous. This one wasn't nearly as bad as arguing with a climate denier but ... Also I've missed spending time with Eric
- Eric ... I enjoyed the call ... I also enjoy being at the cottage, but it's also good to get back