*This was a session at [Sol 2012](/Sol_2012).*
[Ben](/Ben): *Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance* argues that Truth and Quality are a fundamental dualism, and [Eric](/Eric) argues that religion should focus solely on "what is good" rather than "what is true," but at the end of the movie *Contact,* theologian Palmer Joss claims that both he and Dr. Arroway, the scientist heroine, are engaged in "the pursuit of truth."
- [Lion](/Lion): Theologians can discover objective truth
- [Ben](/Ben): If a bunch of people have the same subjective experience, that's intersubjective, not objective
- [Brandon](/Brandon): Morality is a subset of aesthetics ... it's all subjective, even if based on evolution and physics (this idea comes from *[The Righteous Mind](/The_Righteous_Mind)*)
- [Shelley](/Shelley) and Eric agree; Lion and Ben disagree (can't accept the idea that our abhorrence of concentration camps is just an "aesthetic preference")